T-day!

We are off today, to celebrate stuffing our faces with turkey and other assorted traditional dishes. Enjoy this picture of a turkey instead of a post.

Also, all Americans know that Benjamin Franklin loved the turkey and wanted it on the national seal instead of the bald eagle. Well, actually, this is fake! I found this article and it blew my mind (not really, but Thanksgiving is a day for hyperbole). Turns out he was making a joke, one that I still don’t really get.

I do think turkeys are majestic. However, I also find them boring as far as food goes.

No matter: Happy Thanksgiving!

Source: Suzy Brooks (@simplysuzy)

Source: Suzy Brooks (@simplysuzy)

Vietnamese students in the US

Just a note: I will be off and on this week, as I celebrate Thanksgiving. Happy Turkey Day everyone!

Source: iie

Source: iie

Because this is a holiday week in the US, I thought it would be interesting to look a bit at a somewhat under-discussed subject: the surprisingly large number of Vietnamese studying in the US.

A friend just sent his daughter to boarding school in the US, but she is half-American, half-Vietnamese. The more surprising trend is the number of students overall from Vietnam studying in the US: almost 25,000. This means that Vietnam is ranked number 6 among all nationalities studying in the US.

OPT = Optional practical training. Source: iie

OPT = Optional practical training. Source: iie

The other countries are the big ones: China, India. Then you have richer countries like South Korea and Saudi Arabia. The Saudi government sends lots of students abroad, and the reasoning always was that to get rid of young men right at the time that they were the most volatile. I also thought it was like the rumspringa, the rite of passage among Amish (traditional Christians in the US) where at the age of 16 they are allowed to break all of the rules: party, have sex, travel, etc. With the understanding that after a period, these teenagers will choose to return to the church or not. And they will have gotten a lot of this behavior out of them.

Source: iie

Source: iie

Anyway, back to the numbers: Vietnam is just behind Canada, despite being about one-eighteenth as rich. Most of the Vietnamese (17,000) are studying undergrad, with another 3,700 in graduate school. [All of this data is from IIE, an education non-profit that helps students study abroad. The Department of Homeland Security has a slightly different number (from March 2019) of 30, 684 students, including secondary school, language training, pilot training, etc.]

Interestingly, while most students from poorer countries focus on STEM, Vietnam has a large percentage that go into business and management (29%) and only 39% in STEM.

How big a deal is this?

For US universities, these students are cash cows. They don’t need to offer many scholarships, and there is no in-state tuition at the public universities (in the US, universities are funded by the states, so residents of these states pay lower tuition). The average cost of a year of undergrad for international students is $26,290, according to this source. That would equate to almost $450m in spending, and it doesn’t seem to include room and board (although I am not sure about this) or other expenses. That could add another 50%.

And of course, Vietnamese students study in many different places. There were more than 20,000 studying in Canada in 2018. This article says that Japan actually attracts the most students (39% of Vietnamese), while South Korea and Australia make up 22%, and the US and Canada 25%. The total spend is $3bn!

How does $3bn stack up to local spending?

A few stats:

  • In 2016, 28..5% of Vietnamese students were enrolled in tertiary education, which is pretty high for ASEAN, only behind Thailand and Malaysia. (See my post from March 29.)

  • The country spent 5.7% of GDP on education in 2013. Let’s assume it’s gone up a bit to 6%, and GDP was $245bn in 2018, which implies that the government is spending less than $15bn in education in total.

  • The money spend going abroad equates to 20% of government spending. We can assume that private spending on education in Vietnam is sizeable, given how much people are willing to spend to send students abroad and the number of private schools in the country.

  • The number of Vietnamese students studying abroad has grown tremendously. Canada and the US (where I have data) show crazy jumps. In the US, it has almost doubled in 10 years. In Canada, the number grew 48% in the school year 2017/18 alone.

Some conclusions to take away from this. First, private spending on education is very high in Vietnam. Second, a good portion of it is going abroad. Third, there is an increasing desire among Vietnamese parents to send their children abroad. As a corollary to this, there is a ability to pay this amount of money in a country where per capita GDP is just around $2,600.

There is a real effort to improve Vietnamese universities. The World Bank earmarked $155 million in 2017 to improve three universities. And there are private universities trying to make headwind, like Fulbright University.

I actually think it is good that Vietnamese students go abroad, because they get introduced to new ideas and systems. I studied and lived abroad for a number of years, and it changed who I am. Both sides should benefit. For example, the US students studying with Vietnamese in the US benefit from a different way to look at things. And the Vietnamese students get the same and can also bring back these learnings to Vietnam.

However, it would be a shame if Vietnam didn’t create public universities that would allow poorer students to study at the same high level as the richer students going abroad.

Bonus: this data sheet from WENR. Enjoy!

Casinos in Southeast Asia

Just a note: I will be off and on this week, as I celebrate Thanksgiving. Happy Turkey Day everyone!

Source: Frame Harirak (@framemily)

Source: Frame Harirak (@framemily)

I grew up in Louisiana, not far from the Texas border. In 1990, the state allowed floating casinos, and it really changed the city, with tons of people coming over the state border to gamble. At first it was just riverboat casinos (don’t ask me why having gambling on a boat is better than on land, morally). As the state has seen stagnating tax revenues, it has allowed these casinos to move on land (woo hoo), and is looking at sports betting. That’s because it became addicted to that sweet, easy gambling money, so much easier to raise than taxes (although with more ill effects).

Just like Louisiana, Southeast Asia has been getting into the casino game in a big way over the past few years. Obviously, the Las Vegas of Asia is Macau (or really, the Macau of America is Los Vegas). But casinos are now in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam as well.

I am worried that for all of these countries will suffer from the same issue as Louisiana does: saturation. There are so many casinos, in so many countries, that we will likely see stagnation, just like Louisiana did with casinos/gambling in more and more states of the US. There might be an initial bump when the casinos open, but over time revenues may stagnate or even decline. Out of all of these countries, Cambodia seems the most at risk.

I starting thinking about this because Cambodia just made a deal with NagaCorp. It granted exclusive rights to continue to operate a casino to NagaCorp in Phnom Penh to 2045 in exchange for $10m upfront and future payments. The exclusivity encompasses a 200km radius from the capital, but excludes the Vietnamese border areas.

Source: Vietecon.com, Realestate.com.kh

Source: Vietecon.com, Realestate.com.kh

That’s important, because there are already many (10 by my count) casinos on the border with Vietnam. Most of these are tiny and not that attractive, except for a few in the town of Krong Bavet, which is on the route between HCMC and Phnom Penh.

Only foreigners can gamble in Cambodia, so these border casinos are solely to attract Vietnamese to gamble.

Vietnam has casinos though, although they had been off-limits to locals until last year. So you could have two casinos on the border between Cambodia and Vietnam with Cambodians going to Vietnam and Vietnamese going to Cambodia. What a weird system.

Anyway, Vietnam has these casinos, mostly tied to resorts. As I said last year the government started a trial allowing locals to gamble there. Vietnamese have to pay a VND1m ($43) entrance fee and show a monthly income of VND10m. Lots of Vietnamese gamble though (as seen in these arrests and these), so there is an argument that making gambling legal (but limited) will allow for this money to 1) stay in the country and 2) be better monitored in order to stop money laundering. The first part seems non-controversial, but the US Embassy disagrees about the money laundering part.

It might be looking at this Laotian casino, which the US alleges “was involved in drug, human and wildlife trafficking and child prostitution.” Or these casinos in Sihanoukville.

So maybe the US should be concerned with money laundering. But of course, the US has casinos, like in Louisiana. That shows it is possible to have casinos act legally. The Vietnamese government, which wants absolute control, should align with minimal money laundering. But they can’t stop illegal betting now.

How big a deal is money laundering? Well, the amount laundered worldwide is estimated at between 2-5% of global GDP. That equates to $800 billion to $2 trillion. (I’ve never actually seen a figure on how big global GDP is. This implies world GDP is $40 trillion. That’s a lot, but also the S&P 500 market capitalization is about $30bn.)

I don’t really have a conclusion here. Vietnam opening up gambling is probably good for tourism (Chinese tourists), plus it may allow some of the illegal gambling to move to legal venues. But the risks around money laundering appear to be real, and there is a good chance that the tax revenue will be good for a while but then stagnate, and eventually, Vietnam will have to allow more and more types of betting, in order to keep the same amount of revenue. Just another treadmill, and one that will likely increasingly take from locals, rather than solely foreigners.

Fun bonus document: Here is the US National Money Laundering Risk Assessment 2018. I especially love the real estate ones:

  • In 2013, in Texas, real estate agent Freddy Centeno was sentenced to prison for laundering money for a convicted drug trafficker. The real estate agent admitted helping to launder drug profits through the purchase of residential and commercial properties. He arranged the transactions to conceal the ownership of the property.1

  • In December 2014 Portland, Maine attorney Gary Prolman was sentenced for laundering drug proceeds.114 Prolman laundered about $177,500 of a client’s marijuana proceeds by structuring cash deposits and buying cashier’s checks. Prolman invested a portion of the proceeds in his sports agency business on behalf of the client and used the cashier’s checks to buy real estate for the client using his own name on the deed as the owner.

Lots of good reading in here.

Sovereign rating

Moody’s has a big report out that looks at “key themes shaping global credit markets” ahead of 2020. I would say the general mood is pretty pessimistic. They focus on the following:

  • Recession risks: Moody’s seems to think that we are entering a slowdown. This is somewhat in alignment with my own views, but seems out of step with the rest of the world. See this post about how the markets are generally quite positive right now.

  • Lower-for-longer interest rates: This goes well with recession risks, because interest rates during a recession are generally low. But even without a recession, I think the consensus is for interest rates to stay low. Specifically for Vietnam, it seems unlikley we will see a big pick up in interest rates, despite inflation risks. The deputy PM said that inflation will be between 3.3-3.9% this year, but about a third of this is due entirely to higher pork prices. I doubt the market (or the central bank) will be too worried about this, unless it gets much worse.

  • Political risk: This seems a real issue in so much of the world. So many uncoordinated political crises are happening all over. I have a very not-thought-out view that all of these are a response to austerity post-financial crisis. I am reading this book (Austerity: A History of a Dangerous Idea).

  • Trade tensions: Bad for the world, but, at least for now, great for Vietnam. Of course, it seems like the popularity of trade and open borders is falling, and that could very well hurt Vietnam. But right now, it is benefiting from a new EU trade deal, TPP, and the US-China trade war.

  • Disruptive technologies: Not sure exactly what this is. The report speaks about disruption from new technologies like A.I and blockchain. Vietnam is probably not well placed to be on the forefront of these technologies, but they may not be all that far behind. There are a fair amount of startups in the country, plus there is a lot of investment and technology transfer. Plus, it is a low-wage alternative to China, which will likely remain the case even after the technologies mature.

  • ESG Impact: It’s also a bit unclear what this is. But if we think about two things: 1) environmental issues and 2) corruption, these are major trends in Vietnam. On the environmental front, global warming (and attendant hotter temperatures and flooding) plus air pollution are two issues that the Vietnamese population is really worried about. And the government’s crackdown on corruption has limited real estate supply, which could have a significant knock-on effect. I don’t see these making a big splash in the next year, but in the next five years, the government really needs to be on top of this.

So, while these trends are mostly negative for much of the world, Vietnam actually is sitting pretty. Vietnam has limited recession risk plus low interest rates and minimal political risk. Tie that with the benefits of the current trade war, and the country should be able to weather disruption from technologies or ESG issues, at least in the short term.

Source: Moody’s

Source: Moody’s

Vietnam’s sovereign rating (see chart above) reflects the good sitch. It is Baa3, which is the bottom of investment grade. This is helped by a current account surplus (which is unlikely to change) and relatively low external debt as a percentage of GDP (42%). Out of 29, Vietnam is the 6th best of lower-rated sovereigns on that metric. And it is 5th in terms of having low government interest payments as a percentage of revenue.

Moody’s placed Vietnam on potential ratings downgrade in early October, because it appears the country missed a payment, likely due to mis-coordination among arms of the bureaucracy. The Ministry of Finance freaked out and is pushing back hard. I bet that Moody’s will keep the rating. It would be too severe to push it down from investment grade. And investors don’t want that either.

II think Vietnam has done a very good job of selling itself to international bond investors, and the amount of external debt means that it has been able to attract investors (as FDI numbers show as well). But I am skeptical that making a country look pretty for bond investors is an unvarnished good. Vietnam has such a large current account balance because countries like Samsung have plopped their manufacturing in the country. But if the winds change, or labor costs rise, the company (and others like it) could easily move again. I have talked about this a lot, but selling yourself to foreign investors brings its own challenges and risks. Some of those are worth it, some are not. But all put you on a treadmill that is extremely difficult to get off of.

Medical tourism

Source: Vietecon.com

Source: Vietecon.com

A few years ago, I was flying regularly between Europe and Saudi Arabia. Whenever I got on the plane in Istanbul, I noticed a number of Saudi men that had very red, almost bloody, heads. It turns out they had gotten hair transplants in Turkey, because it was so much cheaper there than in Saudi. The cost in Turkey is between $1,500 to $2,000, compared to my estimate of $5,000-12,000 in Saudi. Even with the cost of the flight, plus hotel and other expenses, it is less expensive.

This Washington Post article has more info and pictures (not for the squeamish). It’s big business. Based on my back of the envelope calculation, it brings almost $200 million a year to Turkey. And that’s using pretty conservative estimates, so it’s likely higher.

2018. Source: International Medical Travel Journal via The Thaiger

2018. Source: International Medical Travel Journal via The Thaiger

Medical tourism is a real business with substantial money involved, although the estimates are all over the place. One estimate puts it at more than $10bn, while another says $65-87.5 billion. Asia also has a thriving medical tourism industry, with Thailand being the first mover here. A very conservative estimate put Thailand at $600m (this is from an article published in 2018), tied with Turkey.

Vietnam is now looking to get into the medical tourism business. At a conference earlier this year, the deputy director of the HCMC tourism department gave some figures: 300,000 foreigners received medical exams, including 57,000 inpatients, with 40% in HCMC.

I highly doubt that these figures are an accurate representative of medical tourism in Vietnam, however. Most foreigners aren’t going anywhere but HCMC for medical procedures (maybe Hanoi), so the 60% figure seems quite suspect. HCMC has all the big, modern hospitals and the people that speak foreign languages.

The 300k figure also probably counts people that are in Vietnam and have to go to a doctor for some reason. The Ministry of Tourism says that there were 70,000 medical tourists in 2017 and 80,000 in 2018, with 50% going to HCMC and most of them for dental work.

This is also probably wrong. There are some people going for medical tourism, and it probably is dentistry, but it’s unlikely to be so high, and it is surely concentrated in HCMC and, to a less degree, Hanoi.

Skepticism about medical tourism

It just seems to me that there is a lot of hype around medical tourism, but the actual numbers are relatively small. Take the $10bn figure or even the $87.5bn one above. That’s nothing! The US, alone, spent $3.5 TRILLION on medical care in 2017. The US is crazy, but still, $88bn is less than 3% of the market. World wide it is less than 1% of the market.

Plus, a third of spending goes to the US, with other developed countries taking the largest share, by my estimate around 50% (US, UK, Switzerland, Germany, Spain, Australia). That tells me that many people go for high quality care, not low cost.

But for certain procedures, I think that developing countries can do really well. For example, Turkey with hair transplants. South Korea does a lot of cosmetic surgery and dermatology. Thailand has lots of interest as well.

Many competitors

The problem with Vietnam getting into the game is that competition is rough. Just in the past few months, there have been lots of countries announced a new (or renewed) focus on medical tourism. These include: Brunei, Zambia, Philippines (which seems a natural, given how ubiquitous Filipino nurses are), Montenegro, Russia, and Cyprus.

We are also seeing heavy investment in medical care in the Gulf, where lots of tourists come from. I saw that in Saudi, where investment in primary care was high and there was a push into secondary care. That’s in an effort to limit the number of Saudis going abroad for treatment (paid for by the government).

Where Vietnam stands

It seems to me that Vietnam probably isn’t that competitive, except for people coming from Cambodia or Laos. Even then, both countries also border Thailand, which is more advanced.

The problem is that Vietnam does not have a great reputation for health care. Even Vietnamese go abroad for treatment - spending $2bn a year to do so. And there are doubts that the international certification so coveted by Vietnamese companies really speaks to the quality of the hospitals. One CEO said that the hospitals just work to the audit, but that after the audit, the quality level goes back down. There is a lot of foreign investment in the medical sector, but that seems mostly to cater to locals (either Vietnamese or expats).

I highly doubt that Vietnam will become a center of medical tourism, although it might be able to attract some Cambodians looking for better medical care or Singaporeans looking for dentistry. But that doesn’t mean the country shouldn’t invest in better medical care for its own population.

New forms of finance

Quickly: I want to apologize for the downtime and slow loading of the blog yesterday. Something was out at Squarespace. Actually, Squarespace should apologize to you, but they aren’t going to. So sorry. Hopefully it’s fixed. Now on to the main event…

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

Lots of people are trying to solve the problem of the unbanked in Vietnam (and Southeast Asia in general). Just to set the background, there are 49 million adults that don’t have a bank account in Vietnam. That’s 69% of the population. Only Indonesia has more adults unbanked, and even then the percentage of the population is lower.

This data is from a recent report from Temasek, Google and Bain about the e-Conomy (what a bad name) in Southeast Asia. You can find the report here.

They attribute the unbanked to the following:

1) Cost: it is too expensive to build physical presences in small towns.

2) Absence of public registers and identification systems: We have talked about these before. Vietnamese ID system is tied to your home town, and if you move, you have to reregister, which isn’t always possible.

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

3) Lack of reliable credit information: This is a problem in lots of developing countries. There is no central credit bureau, plus lots of people don’t have tax returns or anything that can attest to income.

Obviously, Google (and many others) thinks the internet can solve all of this, and they are probably right. If they do, then numbers are staggering. For Southeast Asia as a whole, wallets could be $114bn, digital payments $1.1 trillion and consumer payments $2.3 trillion by 2025.

Lots of people are betting that a solution can be found, and that solution will be lucrative. Just this week, we saw two announcements in this vein:

The interesting thing for Sendo, specifically, is that focuses on tier 2 cities (basically not Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City).

There is a good reason for companies to focus on the big cities: that’s where the money is. Per capita spending is around $364 in HCMC and Hanoi but just $79 outside, or just about 20%. But that doesn’t mean there is no money elsewhere. And these markets are generally less competitive. Growth should be higher over the next 6 years in these second-tier markets (4x compared to 2x for big metros), according to the report.

Other interesting points from the report:

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

  • Shopping festivals are a big deal. Just like Black Friday in the US, Southeast Asia has 9.9 (Sept. 9), Singles day (Nov. 11) and 12.12 (Dec. 12). Weirdly, they are all in the back half of the year. In Vietnam there is also Tet in late January or early February.

  • As more people shop daily for quotidian items, the average order is falling: it is now between $15-20. In poorer regions is can be sub-$10. After overhead, cost to pick and package plus delivery, margins are thin! We talked about this in the context of Uber eats, but fees from the customers don’t cover the costs, so now the retailers have to pay as well. That’s going to be tough for them going forward. As someone who has worked for retailers, the margins are already small.

  • Lots of travel in ASEAN is between ASEAN countries. According to the ASEAN secretariat (cited in the report), it makes up 50% of international travel.

  • Every e-commerce company in Southeast Asia is going “horizontal,” offering more services to boost engagement. They are following the Chinese model here, where all types of services are bundled into one app/service: not just ecommerce, but travel, and wallets, and gaming.

  • Funding remains strong, up 7% in 1H2019 to $7.6bn. Sendo is a good example of this. There is only one unicorn, VNG.

I will leave you with this chart below. Some interesting data and forecasts for the Vietnamese “e-Conomy”.

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

Source: Temasek, Bain and Google

Trade updates

I’m not sure about you, but I keep a browser on my computer with countless tabs open to different stories about Vietnam. Some of them are bigger ideas that I will write about in long form, and then some of them are ideas that revolve around a theme but with different aspects. Right now, there are a bunch of trade stories that add up to something important.

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Let me set the background here: Vietnamese exports are killing it. We have talked about this recently in my post last Thursday on Korean trade. In the chart to the right, I show Vietnamese exports to the US, which, through September, were already equal to all of 2018. And 2018 was up 6% yoy.

The growth rate has been enormous. Exports have grown 25.7% annually (!) since 1996 to 2018. Add to that the growth of 35% year-over-year this year through September.

As part of this, lots of companies are investing in logistics. We talked about this with Keppel previously. Now we have a freight forwarder, Flexport, partnering with Vietnam’s Indo Trans Logistics (ITL) to open a new container freight station outside HCMC. This is just part of the general trend of more trade in Vietnam:

“Meanwhile, Vietnam’s port volumes have grown by double-digits in recent years, reaching nearly 13m teu last year on the back of the country’s booming export industry.”

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

It’s not just manufacturing exports. Farm products are drawing investment too. I found this article interesting, because it shows that Vietnam continues to be a site for exports of farm products. Olam, a Singapore food manufacturer, is investing in Vietnam. I didn’t know this:

“Vietnam accounts for about 40% of global pepper production, and roughly 60% of trade in the commodity. The country's climate and soil properties are well suited for pepper cultivation, and the government has championed the farm produce as a strategic export.”

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Olam is also producing almonds and cashews and processing them.

Some other tidbits about Olam:

  • Not all production is for exports. The company is increasing its domestic sales to 15-20% from 10% currently.

  • Lumber in Vietnam is not doing well and will be divested/closed. That’s despite a massive increase in exports to the US of wood. The EU also has opened its markets to Vietnamese lumber.

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

But not all food exports are doing well. Specifically, coffee is going through a rough patch. Mainly because Vietnamese coffee is fairly low quality. I wrote about this in June and May. Here is a story about manufacturers working hard to move up the value chain.

Coffee exports to the US are not looking great, down in both 2017 and 2018, and down year-to-date (see chart to right).

It’s mostly beans, which aren’t worth all that much these days. ‘[I]n 2018, the volume of processed coffee accounted for just over 7%, but the value was very high,” Tu informed.’ Part of what Olam is investing in is more processing of the raw materials, in order to boost the value of what they produce, just like these coffee companies are.

Finally, this is an old story (Oct 27) and one I should have talked about when I talked about South-South trade: Vietnam put duties on Chinese and Korean steel:

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Source: US International Trade Commission data, charts by Vietecon.com

Anti-dumping duties of 2.53% to 34.27% are being applied to steel products from China, Vietnam’s Ministry of Industry and Trade said in a statement on its website. Tariffs of 4.71% to 19.25% are imposed on steel products from South Korea.

There are already anti-dumping duties on cold-rolled stainless steel products from other Asian countries.

I think people generally do not think of Vietnam as a country that has lots of big industrial companies that are able to compete. Well, its iron and steel exports would appear to show a different story. I actually didn’t think that Vietnam exported any iron and steel to the US, but it turns out that they do, and it is not actually that small at $723m for 2018. [I am a bit worried that this is just Chinese or Korean steel being shipped through in order to sidestep tariffs on those countries’ steel exports, so let me just leave a caveat here for that.] Exports have fallen this year, but still are in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Anyway, these new steel duties should help product the domestic manufacturers, even if they go against classic trade economics, which are generally against any tariffs. If you want to continue to have a steel industry, you may have to put up tariffs or else see your companies be driven bankrupt by cheap imports from elsewhere. Cheaper imports may be good for end consumers, but you then have to deal with laid-off workers and, potentially, the failure of all of the accompanying industries.

The US went through this with almost of all of its manufacturing, and many now regret that. It will be interesting to see if Vietnam ever becomes a major steel producer or even just is able to continue to produce steel profitably. It might be a struggle, even with these tariffs.

More data on energy in Vietnam

Hope everyone had a nice weekend. Mine was busy but good. Lots of cooking and hanging with friends.

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

I wanted to continue to show some of the data that I picked up from the BP report: Statistical Review of World Energy 2019. Today, I wanted to look at some of the sources of energy. This report had some interesting data on fossil fuels that I wanted to highlight. Also a little on hydro and renewables.

Oil: The interesting point here is that oil production exceeded consumption until just recently (at least post Doi Moi). In 2004, the country was producing almost 300,000 barrels daily above their consumption. That equates to $12m in 2004 dollars and more like $15m in today’s, or $4.4bn a year ($5.6bn in today’s dollars).

Reserves also continue to go up. I don’t know how much of these reserves are off-shore, but I would assume a lot. And those are harder to tap, not helped by the general South China Sea issues with China.

The growth rates are crazy:

  • Oil production: increased 13.3% annually since 1987 (starting from a very low base)

  • Oil consumption: 7.3% annually since 1987

  • Oil reserves: 18.7%

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

These seem pretty unsustainable to me, but then again, we aren’t seeing a big move away from oil-powered transportation in Vietnam.

Gas: Production and consumption of natural gas is growing even faster than oil usage. It is up 19.8% annually since 1987. The big jump came after 2003, when it increased from 2.3 to 9.1 billion cubic meters by 2010. Because Vietnam can’t export and only just started to import gas, it consumes all it produces. The current consumption/production is 9.6 billion cubic meters, equivalent to 57 million barrels a year, or 155,000 a day.

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Both production and reserves have plateaued, and I don’t know why that is. It will be interesting to see if this changes if there is any change to the situation in the South China Sea. Also, the importing of LNG should be meaningful.

Coal: Production of coal has fallen, which is surprising. But no surprise on the consumption side: it’s rising, rising, rising. There are also very large reserves: 3.4bn tonnes. That equates to a R/P ratio (reserves to production) of 81. This means at current production levels it would take 81 years to finish off the reserves. In terms of oil equivalents, coal use is less than natural gas and less than oil, by far. But its use is rising.

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Both the US and Australia are looking to expand coal exports to Vietnam. However, while there are a lot of coals coal plants planned, very few are actually under construction. Given that PPP (public-private partnerships) are such a big part of infrastructure funding, it might be difficult to find private partners willing to fund/build/operate coal plants in the current environment.

Hydro & renewables: Growing quickly, but it’s small. We have seen a start of renewables, and Vietnam has a long history with hydro. This is all and good, but it is still relatively small, unfortunately. To be clear, I am mostly talking about renewables here. Hydro makes up more than a third of electricity production. And it doubled from 2006 to 2018. Consumption equates to almost 20m barrels of oil, so it isn’t tiny. This compares to 34m of coal, 57m in gas and 361m in actual oil. So it makes up a real part of the mix.

Renewables, though, are tiny at less than a Terawatt-hours. It is just going to take time to change this. As a reminder, the country used over 210 TWhs a year in 2018. Optimistic reading: there is lots of room to grow!

Just a comment on the chart above: renewables are growing like crazy. They more than tripled from 2014 to 2018. And they didn’t even really start until 2015. But you can’t really see that in the chart, because they are such a tiny and insignificant portion of the mix. My chart demonstrates that. It would be very easy to do another one that just has a line going up and up to the right, and that would be true. But on the ground, renewables just aren’t a part of the mix yet.

Oil prices through history: Finally, I wanted to add this chart, that is just fascinating. It shows oil prices through history. Turns out that oil was actually extremely stable from about 1880 to 1970. That’s almost a century. Since then, it has been a mess. In the past fifty years, it has risen to over $120 and fell back to $20, all using 2018 dollars. It’s current price is high compared to the average over history of $37 and the average of $58 since 1970.

Weirdly, prices spiked during WWI, but not so during WWII. Not sure if this is representative of oil prices everywhere, especially back then.

Anyway, that was just a little tidbit I found interesting. Enjoy!

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Energy - data

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

It’s Friday, and I don’t have a strong opinion about anything, although I have incipient/inchoate thoughts about all sorts of stuff. Those, however, take brain power, and I just don’t have that much right now.

I did find some interesting data that I wanted to share with you. Specifically, BP has a “Statistical Review of World Energy.” This is killer data. So without formal ado:

Chart 1 : Energy Trends

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Energy consumption: It’s up almost 9% annually in Vietnam since 1985! That’s 16.5x what it was back then. That’s economic growth in action. Prior to that (the data goes back to 1960), growth in consumption was only 3.7% a year. So Doi Moi really drove a lot of consumption.

Energy consumption per capita: Up only 7.4% per annum. Also since 1985. Prior to that, it was minimal: 1.2% growth. Aggregate consumption grows much faster than per capita, which may tell us that scale works for energy as well - adding an extra person doesn’t mean energy consumption goes up by the full amount that each person uses. Think of it this way: you don’t have to light a room double for two people. If it’s lit, it’s lit.

Electricity generation: Slower than energy consumption, probably because of motor vehicles, etc.

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by Vietecon.com

CO2 emissions: This is not great. Up 8.1% annually since 1985. In comparison, the US is up less than 1% annually over the same period. Even China is only up 5.1% annually. In fact, Vietnam is the worst offender in terms of CO2 emissions growth in the whole world! Yet, it still represents just 0.7% of the share of CO2 emissions.

Chart 2: Energy sources

Electricity generation by source: We only have 2 years of data here, but it is not pretty. Coal makes up 41% of the mix. On the positive side, hydro (38%) and natural gas (21%) are big components here.

Chart 3: International comparisons

ASEAN consumption: Vietnam is still a low consumer of energy, even in comparison with its neighbors. [Note: I took Singapore out of here, because it just made the rest of the chart impossible to see - Singapore uses a lot more energy per capita compared to its neighbors.] Malaysia has the highest consumption by far, with Thailand coming in much lower. The rest are all grouped down below (although Vietnam uses almost 2x the amount per capita as the Philippines). At the bottom of the page, I added another chart that looks at all of the countries (minus a few small ones) for which we have data. Vietnam is way down in terms of consumption per capita.

Chart 4: International comparison - efficiency

Source: BP, World Bank, calculation and chart by vietecon.com

Source: BP, World Bank, calculation and chart by vietecon.com

Let me explain how I do research. I find some data, like aggregate energy use, and I chart it. Turns out that there are some insightful things. But then I say: well, aggregate figures are all and good, but what is it on a per capita basis. Especially for Vietnam. Then I plot that out. Then I start to look at comparisons, and I think to myself: Vietnam looks good, but Malaysia looks so much higher, and so does Thailand. Well, maybe looking at per capita consumption isn’t the right thing. These countries are much richer than Vietnam. Let’s add in GDP as well. Then we can get how much GDP is produced by each tonne of oil equivalent [toe - this puts all energy sources together into one figure].

Dollars of GDP produced by one tonne of oil equivalent: What does it tell us? Well, the idea behind this is that it takes energy to produce pretty much anything. But energy also costs moolah, so the more goods/services you can produce with less energy, the better. Efficiency is the name of the game here. So this chart looks at how much energy is used to make the country go. Some countries are better at it (read: more efficient) than others. So on this measure, the Philippines actually look pretty good, so does Indonesia. Singapore looks bad, while Vietnam is also not that efficient.

So I would take this away. Vietnam uses little energy per capita, but it isn’t all that efficient and it has quickly rising CO2 emissions, which are also negative. It’s still really small compared to the rest of the world, but still Vietnam needs to get it together! Use energy more efficiency and make that energy with fewer emissions.

I have more charts to look at on Monday, but I am running out of time. So enjoy these. Talk later.

*Note: MTOE = million tons of oil equivalents, GJ = gigajoules, TWh = terawatt hours, M = million

Source: BP, chart by vietecon.com

Source: BP, chart by vietecon.com

Korean trade

We have talked a number of times about the trade balance between Vietnam and the US (just 2 days ago when talking about the trade visit by Sec. Ross). It seems like most commentators focus exclusively on US and the EU, and their trade with developing countries and China. Of course, the trade deficits/surpluses among these three major economic blocks is very large and extremely important.

But we (and I include myself) forget the importance of south-to-south trade. It turns out that trade with the US and the EU are important, but so is trade within Asia.

Looking at Vietnam, (see the year-to-date data in the chart to the right below), manufacturing imports are very high from China and Korea. The Korean figures are especially interesting, because a bit portion (62%) are computers, mobile phones and machinery. And then Samsung manufactures computers and mobile phones and re-exports them. Samsung makes up 25% of all exports from Vietnam and is the largest company in Vietnam.

Vietnam’s large manufacturing trade deficits with both China and Korea, which add up to USD52bn, vastly outweigh its surplus with the US (USD38bn). Overall Vietnam has a trade surplus, but that’s because of other Western countries and smaller countries around the world. .

YTD through October 2019. Source: Vietnam Customs

YTD through October 2019. Source: Vietnam Customs

YTD through October 2019. Source: Vietnam Customs

YTD through October 2019. Source: Vietnam Customs

Even among ASEAN countries, Vietnam has complex trade relations. Thailand has a massive surplus, with motor vehicles the largest portion (almost 15%), and Indonesia and Malaysia are also big exporters to Vietnam, with coal and oil big pieces. Vietnam’s rice exports drive its trade surplus with the Philippines, while iron and steel are exported to Cambodia. Looking at different sectors probably gives you a better picture of the importance of specific countries on Vietnam’s trade:

  • Steel companies depend on Cambodia’s purchases

  • Farmers care about Philippines ability to produce rice for themselves.

  • VinFast and other Vietnamese car companies are looking to take over Thailand’s role as the Detroit of SE Asia

  • Any push to purchase LNG must worry Indonesia, which supplies a lot of coal to Vietnam

So the exclusive focus on trade with the US by me is probably mistaken. Even more so as we get more micro.

Also, the flows between ASEAN countries is more “organic” meaning that it is based on consumption in the countries. Whereas, the flows between Vietnam and the West, while larger, could even be considered a pass-through:

Source: Vietecon.com

Source: Vietecon.com

Vietnam takes raw materials from China and South Korea, puts them together, and exports the resulting high-end products. For this, Vietnam gets the following benefits:

  • Employment: The main reason companies are coming to Vietnam is for low-wage labor.

  • Skills transfer: Despite themselves, these companies also build up the skills of the local workforce. Some of these will be able to use these skills to do their own thing. Although that depends a great deal on the opportunities in the local market - does it make sense to quit your job for Samsung to start your own thing? Only if you think you are going to make more money and/or have a better quality of life.

  • Infrastructure: I believe this, although not sure it is borne out in the data. The country invests in ports, roads, trains, IT networks, in order to attract these companies. These also help the locals.

  • Multiplier: All of the Vietnamese businesses supported by these large foreign companies benefit. These are from (low-end) restaurants and barbers to (high-end) parts suppliers, real estate companies.

The downside is that these business may be polluting the country, working people horribly, and putting the country in a hamster wheel, where they have to continue to import in order to export. If it ever reverses quickly (as we have seen with washing machines, for example), Vietnam could be left high and dry.

We will have to see how all of this works out, but I thought it was interesting to think of trade in these ways. Of course, tell me where I’m wrong.

Contrarianism and a buoyant stock market

I generally am not a contrarian. It just takes too much psychic effort. I want people to like me! At the same time, I am generally pretty pessimistic and a worry-wart. Friends used to call me Eeyore.

But, I am just not feeling the current market mood. That mood is about a complete 180 from what it was just a few months ago (h/t to this Axios post for some of the data).

Source: CNN

Source: CNN

  • CNN’s Fear & Greed Index is at all time highs.

  • Bank of America Merrill Lynch’s survey of fund managers is at an 18-month high. “After months of investor worry and recession fears, global growth optimism soared to 6% from -37% in November, an 18-month high and the biggest jump in 20 years, according to the Tuesday survey. A total of 178 managers with $574 assets under management contributed to the survey.”

  • The S&P 500 is at all time highs.

There are a lot of hypotheses about why the stock market is so high, and why people are so optimistic. But I just don’t really get it. I see a few problems:

Source: Stockbiz.vn

Source: Stockbiz.vn

  • The US-China trade war is still on, and I really think that unless Trump does a complete about face, it will continue. Even if Trump loses, most of the Democrats will likely push a hard line vs. China.

  • China itself seems to be slowing, and while it used to be “If America sneezes, the world gets a cold,” I think it is now China that takes that role.

  • Political risk remains high. Probably at some of the highest levels we have seen in quite some time. Look at Bolivia, Chile, Hong Kong, Lebanon, Iraq. The weird thing is that those are all over the world. And those are just protests. We also have Trump’s re-election (or defeat), Brexit, the rise of right-wing parties in Europe, trade spats between Korea and Japan.

It seems like the whole investing world is positive right now. For Vietnam, the stock market is doing well (we talked about this last week), but it is unlike the others, it is well below the levels we saw back in mid-2017 (see chart up to the right). I don’t really know what that means. It could mean that there is more room for it to run (since it has run higher), or it could just mean that those past periods are anomalous and should be ignored.

I take away two things: 1) the markets are very bad at pricing political risk. 2) People are really optimistic, and I might be wrong to be so eeyore-ish.

Deer mouse! On a completely unrelated note, a deer-like animal was found in Vietnamese forests. It helps to listen to local people. They may know their environment better than scientists living elsewhere.

AES’ natural gas plant and a US trade delegation

This is a few days old, but a US-based energy company, AES, just signed an agreement to build a $1.7 billion gas-fired power plant in Vietnam. This follows up on the company’s approval to build a $1.4 billion LNG terminal near the power plant.

The signing was held as part of the Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross’, trade visit to Vietnam. It was one of two major energy deals. The other was a production sharing agreement with Murphy Oil, Vietnam Oil & Gas Group, PVEP and SK Innovation for an offshore block. There was also a deal between Pratt & Whitney and Vietnamese Airlines.

  • This is the second big LNG deal that I have heard about for Vietnam. I wrote about the first back on September 29. Then there was a big agreement to import 2m metric tons of gas.

  • Energy to be produced by the new plant is about 2.2 GW. This equates to about 1% of total electricity production (maybe a bit less when it comes on line - it was 1.2% back in 2016). Although it won’t come online until 2024.

  • This is just a small part of the overall energy plan for Vietnam. According to Forbes: “Starting from zero, the country expects to ramp up LNG imports to 10 million tons by 2030, while natural gas generating capacity more than doubles from 9 to 19 GW by 2030.”

  • These imports, LNG, airline parts, along with potentially coal (!?!?!), will help offset Vietnam’s trade surplus with the US. According to the article, the trade surplus through Sept. was $34bn, up from $25.5bn previously. That’s a big jump: about a third higher.

  • Natural gas is better for the environment than other fossil fuels, and definitely better than coal. So it is a good intermediate step. I would prefer there to be greater investment in renewables, but, as the Stones sang, you can’t always get what you want.

I always wonder about these trade delegations, like this one lead by Ross. Do they really matter? These deals would probably get signed, but having a deadline can really focus the mind. For example, reading between the lines, it seems like it was taking AES a while to get final authorizations so it could start investing. Now it can.

It doesn’t help that Vietnam is under a lot of pressure to get off of Trump’s radar with the trade deficit. These deals definitely show progress.

You can read Wilbur’s remarks at a Vietnam CEO’s luncheon here.

Review: The Bride Test by Helen Hoang

For all of our US readers, happy Veteran’s day.

I recently read this book, The Bride Test, by Helen Hoang, and if you want nice (but a bit sexually explicit) romance featuring Vietnamese in the US (both from Vietnam and Viet Kieu), this is a great one. Also, one of the two characters is autistic, which adds an interesting wrinkle to the story.

A quick summary: A mother goes to Vietnam to look for a wife for her son, Khai. She rejects all the women that “audition” for her, and chooses the hotel cleaning woman, My (later to take on the name Esme). Esme goes to America and starts to live with and fall in love with Khai, who is autistic. Misunderstanding ensue, Khai has problems knowing and expressing his love, but in the end…

Things I liked:

  • Neither Khai nor Esme are mean or cruel, but their misunderstandings are cruel to the other. Communication is hard, even for people in the same culture, without autism adding an extra layer of complication. But both are trying to do their best.

  • There is some hot sex in this one! And Asians are treated as sex symbols, which is something often lacking in Western books. Stereotypes of Asians as nerds or non-sexual are ubiquitous in the West, especially for Asian men.

  • Like all good romances, you really want to these crazy kids to get together in the end. But neither are willing to compromise, even Esme, despite her disadvantages: poverty, immigrant status.

There are a lot of things that are not realistic about the book (no one cares about money in the least, and how these people got visas beggars belief). But realism doesn’t really bother me. At times, it was a bit rote, but the elements about Vietnamese in America and autism plus some unexpected twists added up and made me want to finish.

[Plus, I read it in Large Print (amazing for those of us getting up in age), and so I really felt a sense of accomplishment as I sped through pages!]

My final point is this: There are close to 4.5m Viet Kieu (or overseas Vietnamese), or about 5% of the population of Vietnam. In certain countries or cities, they can be a sizable portion (New Orleans and Houston, come to mind). It would be a mistake to think that their stories aren’t worth reading and that only the Vietnamese in Vietnam are worth listening to. Immigrants occupy a liminal space that can tell us about both their home culture and their adopted culture. So I was excited and continue to be excited about reading Vietnamese immigrant fiction.

That’s why I am happy to recommend The Bride Test, especially for anyone interested in romance.

New laws - FDI and Solar

Corrected tariff amounts. I had forgotten a 0, so it looked like 76.9 cents vs 7.69 cents per kWh.

Vietnam has two new circulars regarding foreign direct investment (FDI) and the new solar incentives. The FDI one is a bit older, but it did lead me down an interesting path of learnings.

First, about FDI. We got a new circular (06) to replace the old circular (19) from 2014. Obviously anyone investing in Vietnam really needs to make sure their lawyer knows all of this stuff, but for our purposes, the changes are not major. Please, just pay someone to deal with all this. It’s v. confusing.

Back to basics: If you were a foreign invested enterprise (FIE), you need to have/open a direct investment capital account (DICA). The definition of FIE was a bit unclear, so this circular clarifies it. If you own 51% of capital, you are an FIE. Also, if you are doing a PPP or entering into business cooperation contracts (BCC, whatever that is). There are some changes to mergers as well. The important thing is If you are all of them, .

Basically, you need a DICA if you own 51% of a business in Vietnam, and you need to run your money through it. The main problem, according to these lawyers, is that if ownership fluctuates between 49% and 51%, it’s gonna be a real pain.

Looking a bit closer, a DICA can be quite onerous for investors. To transfer money, the bank may require “supporting documents.” Also if capital is transferred, it can only be done in VND, unless both sides are non-resident. If it was a resident and a non-resident, it would have to be in VND. Which might be a pain for the non-resident selling shares, because it (or s/he) would only get VND.

And it looks like you can only remit money once a year, or when an enterprise is closed. Plus, the bank may not be willing to convert VND at the time. What a pain. But that sure doesn’t seem to be stopping anyone…

Second, about solar, much more fun! The big deal is that we finally have new feed-in-tariffs (FITs), at least in draft form. In 2017, the government set out FITs, but they expired on June 30, 2019. So everyone was waiting to see what they would be. Well, here are the draft prices:

  • Floating solar power projects: $0.0769/kwh

  • Ground-mounted solar power projects: $0.0709/kwh

  • Rooftop solar power projects: $0.0935/kwh

More details: The FITs are fixed for 20 years, as long as the project is done between July 1, 2019 to December 31, 2021. These are down from the previous price of $0.935, although existing solar projects are grandfathered in (lots of details around this that I am just going to ignore).

Are there any issues? Well, the big concern is there is no regional pricing. Basically, prices should have been different between the north, which doesn’t get much sun, and the rest of the country. That way not everyone would build in the south and overload the grid.

Source: EIA

Source: EIA

Lower prices will mean less incentive to build solar. I am 100% for high FITs, because I believe that it is extremely important for both Vietnam and the world that we produce more energy from renewables. Solar and renewables are already a big part of the energy mix, in terms of new build.

The only mitigation is that these are still relatively high prices compared to the cost of producing solar. The US Energy Information Administration has some estimates for new solar. The cost per kWh depends on the location of the panels (more sun = cheaper), but let’s look at the weighted average - it is just $0.04 per kWh. That’s less than half of the rooftop FIT and still provides a pretty good margin for the ground-mounted and floating projects. Of course, there are other costs that would be different for Vietnam, but this isn’t bad.

In my search for data around this, I found a very cool chart that shows exactly where solar is most effective in Vietnam. You can see it here.

Looking at the stock market - buybacks = bad

Source: Bloomberg

Source: Bloomberg

I was talking to a friend the other day about the Vietnamese market. I was complaining that my calls (namely Minh Phu) were not working out, despite what I thought was interesting fundamentals. He said: “well, the market is expensive.” That was at the end of October, and since then the market has flown!

As William Goldman said in a different context: No one knows anything.

Source: Bloomberg

Source: Bloomberg

I bring this up because the market is doing well, and looking at it overall, it isn’t so expensive. P/E is 16.8x, which isn’t cheap but doesn’t seem crazy and is well below the S&P Index’s 20.3x. My old professor, Jeremy Siegel, says that a P/E of 15x is probably reasonable given a long term return of 6.8% (using the US market - more in his book). P/B is 2.4x, much less than the S&P 500 index’s 3.4x. Price-to-sales is also much lower at 1.7x, vs S&P of 2.2x. I would think growth would be stronger for the Vietnamese companies, just because overall economic growth is faster. So if we used a P-E-G ratio, then it would look even better.

Source: Bloomberg

Source: Bloomberg

Looking at the charts, on a year-to-date basis, VN Index is not doing great compared to the S&P - its off about 5pp. But when we go back a full year, the indices look much closer. The S&P really fell before the end of the year, and then picked up from there. There was less volatility in the VN Index.

If we look at a 5-year trend, the VN Index is up around 18pp or 69% compared to the S&P’s 51%. So maybe its Vietnamese Stocks For the Long Run.

Since October 31, the VN Index is up 2.6%, partially driven by stock buybacks announced by Vincom Retail and Vinhomes. Both are subsidiaries of Vingroup, that we have talked about many times before.

I have a somewhat contrarian view on these buybacks: THIS IS BAD! What are these companies doing buying back stock? Vietnam is seeing a massive investment boom. The country is growing like mad. There are so many opportunities to steal export share from China, plus consumption in the country is growing as people get richer.

They should be investing this money! It could be R&D, it could be new products, it could be new stores or developments. They could be innovating or importing technology that would allow them to grow faster! It blows the mind to think that these companies couldn’t find a good return for this money. And yet, they are returning it to shareholders.

There is something to the complaint that stock markets value short-termism too much. This is a perfect case of it - the stocks are way up from the announcements, so good for them and their investments. But as someone who wants to hold stocks for a long time, this is a bad sign to me.

Follow up on Uber

Source: Uber

Source: Uber

Uber reported last night, and it provided more data on Uber Eats. The stock fell, mostly on slowing growth. Bookings in ride sharing weren’t that impressive, and growth at Uber Eats wasn’t enough to make up for it. Plus profits, even after taking into account stock compensation, were highly negative. It appears investors are concerned that the company is no longer in growth mode and may not be able to grow its way into profitability.

Uber Eats growth was impressive, but it also had large losses. The segment continues to lose money on an adjusted EBITDA basis, and so on a net profit basis it must REALLY be losing money. Moreover, the loss is about the same as net revenue.

We’ve gone over this before, so my conclusion is that the driver payments are too high, and it is very likely that restaurant commissions are not enough to cover that. At best, it may be because the company is still in growth mode and is paying restaurants and drivers to be part of the service. That should go away at some point. But you would think that it would go away at least for the restaurants that have been on the network for a while.

Think of it this way: you would be willing to pay for a valuable service. If Uber Eats is really offering a valuable service to restaurants and customers, they should pay for it. Right now, I am not sure they are. Or not enough. And if it isn’t enough now, when will it be enough?

Food Delivery

On Friday, I wrote a little about Scommerce and their recent investment from Temasek. They are getting involved in food delivery on demand, which is a hot category. GrubHub and UberEats are big players globally, while in Vietnam there are Grab and Go-Viet.

These companies are growing like mad. “[Grab, which bought UberEats in SE Asia] says its gross merchandise volume for the food business grew 900% on-year in June 2019 from a relatively small base.” Go-Viet had handled nearly 6 million orders as of April 2019 in HCMC alone.

But what are the fundamental economics of this food delivery? Well, as far as I can tell (and each company does it a little differently), there are two main ways the companies make money:

Source: Uber S-1

Source: Uber S-1

  • Fees from the customers - these are delivery fees added to the cost of the food.

  • Fees from the restaurant - The restaurant pays to be placed highly in the search results. Usually, the fee is a percentage of the order.

UberEats, in the Uber S-1 (or the document the company filed when doing its IPO), provided a breakdown of costs (chart to the right). It’s pretty eye-opening:

  • Delivery fees are pretty high, or about 22% of the cost. That doesn’t include any tip. If we add another $1 as a tip, that gets to close to 30% in additional payments.

  • The restaurant pays about 25% to UberEats. Given the low margins of restaurant businesses, that’s probably a very sizable portion of profits. It could be worth it to the restaurants if a) they get more business (in excess of what they would get anyway - don’t forget to take into account cannibalization) and b) this means they can get rid of their own delivery people.

  • The driver is getting $6 in this example. To get to a $15 minimum wage in the US, he would have to do 2.5 trips an hour, but that doesn’t take into account the cost of the car/bike. It probably is more like 3.5 trips to make that $15 after expenses. Here is an interesting article on driver economics from an FT writer.

  • The net revenue to UberEats is $2.5 or 11% of gross bookings. That’s actually been falling for both Uber Eats and Grub Hub (see below, although 2Q19 figures are better for Grub Hub). Probably due to a) more competition, b) lower fees from restaurants c) greater driver incentives.

Source: Company data, Vietecon.com

Source: Company data, Vietecon.com

Let’s do my favorite exercise; backing into a reasonable revenue figure. We are going to use GrubHub for this, because it is a bit cleaner (UberEats is a part of the bigger Uber, and disclosure sucks at Uber).

Let’s assume two things; 1) GrubHub turned every $100 of gross bookings into $20 of net revenues - we assume this continues. 2) Average bookings are $18.

A few other items: GrubHub will spend around $650m in operations and support and another $110m or so in technology in 2019. It has another $100m in admin costs. And interest is around $20m. Add that up, you get to $880m in overhead expenses. That’s before sales and marketing (S&M). [No, not that kind! Get your mind out of the gutter.]

So they need $880m to cover costs before S&M. Or $4.4bn in gross bookings. Then it costs them about 5% of gross bookings in S&M. That means another $220m at least, which means gross bookings need to be more like $5bn. This goes round and round until we get to: the company needs $5.88bn in gross bookings to break even, or about 325m orders at $18 an order.

Of course really are not interested in just breaking even. They want high margins - they’re a tech company! We need those 20% net margins! Then you need a lot more like $8.25bn in gross bookings, or 460m orders.

Right now Uber has gross bookings not too far from that, but it definitely doesn’t seem like they are making money. So maybe that is being generous.

Uber says the total addressable market is about $800bn worldwide. That includes current delivery, takeaway and drive-through. And that it doesn’t include eat-in spending (when you actually go to a restaurant). Points: 1) people pick up food because they are on their way somewhere or don’t want to pay more, so this number needs to go down 2) that might be worldwide, but neither Uber nor GrubHub compete in every country. I would assume that the actual market is much less than $800bn.

Problems ahead

Interestingly, GrubHub recently reported positive earnings, but guidance was very bad. As it adds bigger fast food chains to their restaurant network, its ability to take fees from those restaurants falls. It lose bargaining power because these big chains need Grub Hub less than Grub Hub needs them. That means they will need greater bookings, greater marketing spending, potentially greater driver incentives, all for less money.

UberEats is likely facing the same issues, meaning that more and more bookings will be needed to fund overall costs. But if fees from restaurants fall, net revenues could potentially turn negative. As we saw, Uber needs both the delivery fees and the restaurant commissions. There is an upper limit to the commissions restaurants will pay. And these companies can try to cut driver pay, but at some point, drivers will opt out if they aren’t making money. And without drivers, there are no deliveries.

What will likely happen

I sound very negative (which may not be completely fair), but it does seem like companies could just focus on the high commission restaurants, sell themselves as the food delivery of independent shops, and then produce solid profits. But 1) that wouldn’t be exciting for investors and 2) competition for these high-paying restaurants will be extremely competitive. Uber, or any other competitor, has every incentive to steal these customers and drive Grub Hub under. Whoever has the ability to lose the most could be the winner. But they might end up winning a non-so-attractive market at the end of the day.

For Vietnam in particular, it will be interesting to see how Grab and Go-Viet do. They are going to face many of the same problems that Uber has. But they may benefit from the large number of migrant workers moving to big cities. These workers likely will work for peanuts, helping boost margins for the corporates.

Here’s a good rant on Uber.

Logistics news

Three stories caught my eye.

Source: World Atlas. I don’t really know what time period this is for, but who cares! PIRATES!

Source: World Atlas. I don’t really know what time period this is for, but who cares! PIRATES!

First, logistics is a messy business, especially ocean shipping. You are at the mercy of the elements, pirates, and regulations about fuel.

Add to that list sunken ships. A container ship sank on October 19 in the Long Tau channel, one of the main waterways into HCMC. It could be closed for a month, according to this article.

There are other navigable channels, but it appears that Long Tau has the greatest depth (important for these big container ships). This is not great timing given the big increase in shipments from Vietnam: “Monthly customs shipments into the U.S. hit a new high in August, according to SONAR data.”

Second, Mapletree Logistics Trust (MLT) is buying two logistics warehouse in Vietnam. This is a bit of different type of a transaction, because Mapletree Logistics is buying a bunch of logistic warehouses from its parent, Mapletree Investments (which owns a third of MLT). Basically, the parent builds and MLT buys. The Vietnamese assets are being bought at a P/NAV of 1.05x, while MLT trades at a P/B for 1.44x. So the deal should be accretive for MLT. Also, MLT is expensive!

The details of the transaction aren’t so important, but the underlying point is. MLT is happy to invest in these warehouses, and the parent (who gets the money), will be able to reinvest in additional warehouses. It is already building warehouses in the same areas as these two warehouses.

Plus, investors seem very willing to fund these acquisitions (MLT raised equity for a bit more than 50% of the cost).

Third, Singapore’s sovereign wealth fund, Temasek, is investing in Vietnamese logistics service provider, Scommerce. It looks like the amount is $100m, and this is after a 2018 investment from Olympus Capital Asia. Scommerce is using the funding to expand its Giaohangnhanh (GHN) and Ahamove divisions as well as invest in technology. GHN is a last-mile delivery service, while Ahamove is the on-demand delivery service (like UberEats but for any type of package). Scommerce also has a cross-border logistics subsidiary.

There are now a few companies that deal with on-demand and last-mile delivery. GoJek (Go-Viet) is one, and Grab is another. Both have gotten lots of money. And they are only the really big ones. There are also a number that have similar offerings (more details here).

It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out over time. In the last few years, there have been a number of companies that appeared to be market leaders (e.g. Vietnammm) that then lost that lead to newcomers. It is a tough business, it takes a lot of money, and it is unclear if the unit economics are all that great. I will talk more about this tomorrow, since it deserves a post of its own. Right now, before thinking too deeply about it, food delivery may not be sustainable, at least at current prices.

What southern Vietnam will look like in 2050

I hate to be so negative on this blog, but there is a new research report out that tries to be more accurate at estimating the impact of higher sea levels on low-lying cities/areas. Unfortunately for Vietnam, it is not a pretty picture. You can see the pictures below that come from this NY Times article.

By 2050, south Vietnam south and west of Ho Chi Minh City will basically disappear. These new projections use more accurate readings of current elevation of these areas, taking into account trees, buildings, etc. The old projections weren’t as accurate, so understated the impact of rising sea levels.

The figures for 2100 are even worse. Previous models estimate that 110m people worldwide live in areas that will be inundated by sea level rise. This new model estimates 190m people, or 80m people more currently live in areas that are affected. That’s based on low carbon emissions. High emissions are even worse (obviously).

Take this:

In Asia, CoastalDEM [this new model] indicates that even with deep cuts to carbon emissions (K14/RCP 2.6),… Vietnam…may, by end-of-century, face high tide lines higher than land now home to….26 (23–31)% of their people…before accounting for episodic flooding events. [Ellipses just take out references to Bangladesh and Thailand to focus on Vietnam.]

Currently that 26% is 5pp worse than current estimates. And that assumes deep cuts to carbon emissions.

Remember this just takes current population levels. If these areas are underwater, people won’t be living here. Also, the analysis doesn’t incorporate coastal defenses that may mitigate some of the rise. And finally, maybe people just get used to living in waterlogged areas. There is a novel by Kim Stanley Robinson that looks at people living in a flooded New York. It’s called New York 2140. I’ve only read part of it, but I like it so far. Those people seem fine. I guess people get used to it. Sad to think we, as a species, have basically given up on large swaths of the globe.

Source: New York Times

Informal and formal credit

If I were to ask you, who charges a higher interest rate on loans in Vietnam, who would you guess? A) An informal money lender from the neighborhood who may hire big guys to collect, B) one of these new startups providing credit to the unbanked?

Most people would probably think the startup would be much cheaper. Especially because they are trying hard to grow market share, so like Uber at its start, they offer products and services at cost or even below.

Source: StoxPlus 2018 via VIR

Source: StoxPlus 2018 via VIR

You would be wrong. Actually, you might be right, but not all of the time. This researcher dove deep into informal credit in the Vietnamese economy and found that many of our first impressions aren’t actually based on facts.

  • Formal loans have interest rates as high as 50%. In his research, a woman ends up paying $1,550 for a $560 loan from FE Credit.

  • Many informal loans are have high rates but loan fees are less and the loans themselves are easier to get. The case study mentioned here talks about a 4%/month interest rate, compared to a formal cost (all-in) of 5.4%. Of course, this is because the loan size is pretty low (VND500,000). If it were bigger, VND2.2m in this case, it would be about the same cost, but potentially more onerous paperwork. This example uses one of the traditional banks, but is indicative of formal credit prices for small loans.

  • It will be very hard to get people banked, because so many of them don’t have proper registration, which is necessary for loans. We talked about this before, but just to remind, Vietnam requires everyone to be registered. Currently 5-6 million people lack household registration, “including 36% and 18% of Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi’s population, respectively.” These people find it difficult to access formal credit,

Many people think informal credit is horrible, because the stories can be scary. Debt collection by the informal guys is not always a pretty picture (think big thugs with tattoos and baseball bats - or that’s what I picture). And so the government is trying to crack down on “black credit.” But it is hard:

According to the HCM City Police Department, in the first six months of 2019, they handled nine black credit cases and took eight cases to court featuring 17 suspects.In the same period, the HCM City police made a list of 962 people who were suspected of involvement in black credit and some 864 telephone numbers used in black credit operations.

So lots of people are involved, but only 8 cases were taken to court. The police say it is hard to get all the documentation to get these cases to court. I am sure it is. But even the 864 telephone numbers is probably a meaningless number in comparison to how big informal credit is. That brings us to the following question:

How large an issue is it? It is really difficult to get a sense of how large informal credit is in the economy. Fitch reports that consumer loans add up to 58% of GDP at the end of 2018, but that counts just bank loans. And a good portion of those are mortgages (38%) or household business loans, which are secured.

The vast majority of Vietnamese did not have bank accounts in 2017. Source: World Bank

The vast majority of Vietnamese did not have bank accounts in 2017. Source: World Bank

But we need to add to that the level of informal loans in the system. If it is another 10pp of GDP, it would already be quite high. And that 10pp is just a guess. As much as 20% of urban dwellers have no access to credit (because they lack household registration), and these are very likely borrowing to build business or homes or to buy vehicles to work in the city.

Let’s try to work it out: One source said that in the 2000s, informal credit had dropped to just a third of all credit, down from 77.5% in 1992. A third is still crazy high! A third would mean that the actual underlying consumer credit in the market is 50% more than the statistics say. To give an indication of how this could happen, according to the World Bank, only 30% have bank accounts, although some of these people have been serviced.

I can’t know for sure, but I am pretty sure that the number has fallen from 33% since the 200s, so let’s say we need to mark up credit by 15% (about half of what it was in the 2000s). That would still mean that there is $21bn more in consumer credit than officially reported. That would imply the consumer credit is more like 67% of GDP rather than 58%.

I could be way off, but all the anecdotal evidence points to informal credit being massive.

Why should we care? There are a bunch of reasons:

  • Higher debt-to-GDP is riskier. We have talked about this a lot, but the main reason is that in the case of a recession, these debts may be hard to service. If you have to choose between paying a loan shark and a bank, I would pay the loan shark! Baseball bats scare me! And so banks may face much higher NPLs than expected. We saw this in 2011 and 2012, when the government cut down on banks because of high NPLs. GDP growth suffered.

  • One caveat to this is that informal credit was massive before, and now it is much less. So the big run up in credit in the economy may stem from this move from informal to formal. Basically, it was a problem before, we just didn’t know about it.

  • The move to formal credit is important not just for statistics but to get a real sense of what is driving economic growth. Plus, we assume (and it may not be true) that the formal sector will better price risk. (Just typing this makes me feel foolish - loan sharks are probably pretty good at pricing risk).

  • The formal sector is much safer for borrowers. Once again, I would rather a bank come after me than a loan shark. And the government can regulate it.

  • It points to an underlying issue: the household registry really hurts migrants. Fixing that would help poor migrants a lot!

Informal lending is never going away. But if it can continue to be diminished by the formal sector through products that are more transparent, cheaper and better regulated, that would be ideal.